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Jan 7, 2014

Why Are US Visa Questions So Weird?

'Never ascribe to malice that which can be adequately explained by incompetence.'

We live in a truly global economy. We don't just like or want to have a relatively frictionless exchanges of goods, services and people, we require it. To function. To prosper. To survive.

And yet, societies still jealously guard access and restrict admission. Some of this caution is based on fear - of terrorism, of lost income, of vanished employment, of opportunity generally. But some of this resistance to a freer flow is based on less rational motives having more to do with a legacy of resentments, biases and deeply ingrained misperceptions. They appear, invariably, to focus more on the potential for loss than for gain.

So, in the process of determining who should be granted access and who should not, authorities have a tendency to impose bureaucratic formulae that serve to provide the vocally aggrieved indigenous populations with symbolic protection, if not real security. The result can be, as the following article explains, bizarre.

Who would ever answer these questions honestly, if they possessed either the motive or the condition that would eliminate them from their quest? Those responsible claim that by asking the question they can then deal with someone later if they turn out to have been caught in a lie. But it is likely that the real reason may have more to do with the bon mot at the beginning of this post which is attributed to one of the greatest bureaucrats of all time: Napoleon Bonaparte.

The point is not that all security and regulatory authorities are incompetent. They are most emphatically not. It is rather that we, as societies, are so conflicted about what we want versus what we fear that we impose impossible contradictions on those who serve and protect us - and on ourselves - as a very human reflection of our own unresolvable doubts. JL

Michael Skapinker comments in the Financial Times:

Am I coming to the US to engage in prostitution? Do I belong to a clan or tribe? Do I have tuberculosis or infectious leprosy?
I have just renewed my five-year US visitor’s visa after truthfully answering “no” to the above and many other questions.
At the US London embassy the ticket-based queueing system was well organised, there was free coffee, the consular staff who interviewed me were good-humoured and my passport was returned with a fresh visa just three days later. But as I filled in the application form before my embassy appointment, I wondered what the point was of asking “Do you seek to engage in terrorist activities while in the United States?” when those who plan to do so will surely click “no”.
Why are some of the questions so imprecise? For example, on the form I had to fill in (as a journalist, I require a particular type of visa), I was asked if I had ever been responsible as a government official for “particularly severe violations of religious freedom”. What does particularly severe mean? Are mild violations of religious freedom acceptable?
Or take an example from the Electronic System for Travel Authorisation (Esta) form that visitors with a US visa waiver complete (this includes tourists from many European and some other countries): “Have you ever been arrested or convicted for an offence or crime involving moral turpitude?”
What is a crime involving moral turpitude? Does agreeing to accept someone else’s speeding points count as moral turpitude when an opinion poll by the AA motoring organisation suggested 300,000 people in the UK had done that?
And, finally, how did US visa application forms come to be such a curious agglomeration of questions?
My first query – whether miscreants are likely to answer incriminating questions truthfully – is one nearly every visa applicant asks. “Clients constantly say: ‘Are you kidding? Does anyone answer ‘yes’?’” says Kehrela Hodkinson, a London-based US immigration lawyer.
It is also the easiest mystery to solve. The point of asking these questions is that, if you answer them untruthfully, you have obtained a visa by fraud or misrepresentation and can be deported if you are found out, either on this visit, or if you subsequently win the right to live in the US.
My query about the imprecision of some of the questions has a less precise answer. There have been many academic discussions – and even an entire book – on what moral turpitude is.
There is no statutory definition of the term. It is up to judges and the Board of Immigration Appeals to decide what it means, Mary Holper of Boston College Law School says in an informative paper. When deciding whether to deport someone, judges have to assess whether the crime in question offends the “moral standards generally prevailing in the United States”. This, Prof Holper says, “casts judges in the role of God”.
In cases over the years, fraud, theft and many sexual offences have been classed as involving moral turpitude. Assault has been, too, “when the offence has an aggravating factor such as a deadly weapon”, Prof Holper says.
As for severely restricting religious freedom, the US Commission on International Religious Freedom, a statutory body, says only one person has ever been barred on those grounds: Narendra Modi, tipped by many to be the next Indian prime minister, for his alleged complicity in the deadly 2002 anti-Muslim riots in his home state of Gujarat. (He denies responsibility.)
The reason US visa forms seem such an odd accretion of questions is that is what they are. They have been added to over the decades to confront whatever danger the US was dealing with at the time.
Prof Holper points out that “moral turpitude” was introduced into US immigration law in 1891. Questions about issues such as prostitution go back to before visas existed, as do many health questions. Officials at Ellis Island used to keep visitors out because they had tuberculosis, says Muzaffar Chishti of the US-based Migration Policy Institute.
Are the visa forms an effective way of keeping undesirables out of the US? “If we’re interested in keeping people who mean to do us harm out, it’s not very effective,” Mr Chishti says. Biometric screening, databases and finger printing are far more useful, he says.
Twitter: @Skapinker
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  1. Report LizEnFrance | December 4 12:02pm | Permalink
    RBater, that is FREAKY! France just X-rayed me to check for TB and gave me a basic checkup, no groping of genitals involved, which is good, as I do not know the French for "please do not grope my genitals" off the top of my head.
  2. Report Altrini | November 25 5:54am | Permalink
    Questions can be tougher or weirder depending on your passport. Westerners have it relatively easy. I was once asked at the Dubai immigration counter to prove that I was a geologist, never mind I was travelling with a rugby team (20 guys had same T-shirts, few others did not), had a return ticket for later that night, and had been to the UAE several time before in the same year.
  3. Report J P M | November 23 2:54am | Permalink
    @ elizabeth schumann; I remember the question "Have you come here to assassinate the President of the United States?" was taken off the visa form post November 22, 1963..... sorry you missed the boat the question was to hire 2nd line for Lee Harvey Oswald...you could have been one:)
  4. Report Jonathan Abecassis | November 22 11:08am | Permalink
    @ Freekee1967 - i suspect he is St Paul
  5. Report paulose500 | November 22 8:26am | Permalink
    When I had Indian passport and travelling out of India, the Indian immigration officers questions should make a fetish reading.
  6. Report Freekee1967 | November 22 7:37am | Permalink
    @ Apostle. Who are you? You must be "famous" to have traveled to 125 countries on philanthropic missions AND be well known enough ( it may be my imagination ) for a boarder guard to ask you for marital guidance. Are you a TV or film actor or something similar? You can't be Clinton as he'd be shuffled through or around customs and I can't see you being Gates as he'd have asked your opinion on other matters.
  7. Report W7FTK | November 22 7:28am | Permalink
    @mavani
    I disagree, the bureaucrats processing the forms are no doubt bored to death and would likely miss a telltale 'yes'. Then when said terrorist act ocurred, ICE would not be able to deport because the person hadn't lied on his application.

    As an aside, I wonder if there have ever been any meaningful prosecutions for lying on an application. If you commit a terrorist act and get caught you are going to jail anyway whether or not your visa application was truthfully filled out. The whole exercise seems pointless.
  8. Report Mavani | November 21 10:46pm | Permalink
    You never know, some muppet with ill intentions may actually tick yes and the form may save thousands of lives.

    On the other hand the forms all over the world seem to ask similar things these days.
  9. Report Observer | November 21 9:31pm | Permalink
    While some visa questions tickle our funny bone or raise eyebrows, there are others, like the Singapore visa form, which ask you your race and religion for a tourist visa consideration. Not so funny.
  10. Report Nuages0 | November 21 8:49pm | Permalink
    I too have suffered from strange bureaucratic questions at various times. For MoD security clearance, one form asked:

    "Have you committed or do you intend to commit acts of espionage contrary to the interests of the UK? If Yes, please give further details in the box below ". No wonder they couldn't catch Kim Philby!

    At an airport, I was once asked: "Could anybody have tampered with your luggage without your knowledge". I truthfully & logically answered: "I don't know, how could I tell?", and was then subjected to further questioning.

    On the other hand, once when entering the USA, I was asked if my luggage contained any cooked meats, hams etc. I thought this to be strange, but they opened the case of the person in the next queue to reveal lots of salamis & black puddings therein. So perhaps the questions are indeed products of practical experience.
  11. Report Nostromo | November 21 6:17pm | Permalink
    A few years ago I (successfully) applied for a US Green Card on the grounds of marriage to an American citizen. At my interview, during which my wife sat next to me, the first question was, "Have you entered the United States with the intention of committing polygamy?" Fortunately, I was able to keep a straight face. ("Honey, I didn't say anything 'cos I didn't think you'd mind.....")
  12. Report Dan Thisdell | November 21 2:03pm | Permalink
    I recently filled out Russia's visa application and assumed questions like, "Have you had special training in the use of explosives, firearms or nuclear materials?" to be no more peculiar than those which I imagined the US must ask (I am an American and they let me in with relatively little bother). Clearly I was mistaken.
  13. Report RBater | November 21 1:58pm | Permalink
    Did you know that if applying for immigrant visas (in our case from the UK) that, as well as the questions, there is a medical examination. We attended the designated medical centre in London where the examination included the usual checks but my wife and I were rather surprised at one of them. Asked to lie down (still wearing underwear but no other clothing) the doctor puts on rubber gloves and feels all round the genital area. We passed (!) and we are now permanent residents.

    I am not sure of the reason for thatl check but understand that it was illegal to enter the U.S. in order to undertake a sex change operation. So visa questions are one thing...
  14. Report Michael Skapinker, FT | November 21 1:33pm | Permalink
    Thanks for the comments. I take the point that the US is not the only country to ask strange questions.
  15. Report Collective mind | November 21 1:02pm | Permalink
    What is frustrating, that there are always people employed in bureaucracy who want to add more strange questions, or fields, or other complications to any form. And it seems very rare case when these people get together to decide which question or field is obsolete in order to drop it.
  16. Report paultbgannon | November 21 10:50am | Permalink
    The AA survey also shows a worrying preference for supporting attempts to avoid speeding penalties among executives and professionals. 'Lower' class individuals are more likely to report such behaviour to the police than professionals and senior managers.

    "Among professional and senior manager groups the percentage who would report a point-swapping attempt to the police drops to 11% but rises to 16% among skilled manual and service workers. Among the unskilled, unemployed and those on state pensions, 20% would inform the authorities."

    I recall something similar recently where a study showed that drivers of expensive cars committed more traffic offences than drivers of less expensive vehicles.

    The FT really should be investigating causes behind the apparent lack of morality among the better off and well-paid company executives as it seems to be an important but little-mentioned facet of our unequal society.
  17. Report Serfdom Is Nice, Thank You | November 21 10:46am | Permalink
    Every American visiting or working in Europe should be asked those questions because some of the mfs from that side of the world that I have met do not meet those lovely requirements set for their immigrants. In fact, because the laws regulating sexual misconduct of some sort are not the same as the USA's and the culture is more forgiving of certain behaviours, they become little animals preying on the people here.
    No lie.
  18. Report Oscar117 | November 21 9:52am | Permalink
    Simple answer to the author's question: the questions in the application form are weird, because they were created by bureaucrats. This is not at all country-specific, bureaucrats in all countries do weird things, especially, when they are far away from ordinary people who have to struggle with all this nonsense.
  19. Report PSeudoneum | November 21 9:37am | Permalink
    My favourite was always "Have you been involved in Nazi war crimes", is it still on there?
  20. Report Martian Mangal | November 21 6:46am | Permalink
    On the basis of "particularly severe violations of religious freedom" query, Pakistan's military personnel should be barred altogether. Sadly for liberals, they are trained there (US) for subverting values that illuminate dark corners back home.
  21. Report Thevery | November 21 6:37am | Permalink
    @ ad iudicium

    The point you're echoing was pretty apparent in the article - that’s the inconveniently detailed ream of text that droops wearily below the headlines, obsucring our view of all the interesting adverts and links ;)
  22. Report Dharmarules | November 21 5:38am | Permalink
    Not the main point of your article but you still need to be accurate on things so your readers are not misled. Narendra Modi was acquitted of complicity charges by a Supreme Court tribunal. This is publicly verifiable. You will agree this is more than just a denial of allegations.
  23. Report Michael London | November 21 4:55am | Permalink
    Apostle, have you considered writing for the TV show Law & Order? Perhaps look into it if the philanthropy game becomes tiring.
  24. Report ad iudicium | November 21 4:34am | Permalink
    @ Michael Skapinker: forgive if this is a rhetorical observation, but the US visa application form is a living document that changes as regulations or case law require. Yes, the questions seem ridiculous, but if you answered "no" to a question, but subsequently you were being prosecuted for a violation related to one of the questions, that by answering "no" but doing the opposite, you cannot then plead that you did not realise that whatever violation you apparently committed was a legal violation.

    Many countries Customs form have a number of tick boxes of tedious questions (to the innocent), but it is required for the same probable reason I have raised above. Do you agree?
  25. Report Thevery | November 21 4:07am | Permalink
    @Apostle – To be fair, the rationale was covered quite succinctly by Mr. Skapinker in the 10th paragraph.
  26. Report Gulliver | November 21 3:46am | Permalink
    At least the US ask questions, there are countries that just let people in regardless.
  27. Report Curious Being | November 21 3:17am | Permalink
    Shows the level of US govt "intelligence" (pun intended) :)

    btw, to indicate how welcoming the govt is, they call "aliens" those who would typically be called expatriates in other countries. Ermm...English is the first language in the US still, right?
  28. Report elizabeth schumann | November 21 1:48am | Permalink
    When I went to school in the United States in september 1962, the form asked ;"Have you come here to assassinate the President of the United States?".
  29. Report Apostle | November 21 1:01am | Permalink
    Those questions, Mr. Skapinker, are there to build grounds for expulsion, or other appropriate sentence, if a violator is later found to have lied in the application.

    In a nation of institutions, run by laws, you need facts to establish a 'probable cause' to start an investigation, and 'beyond reasonable doubt' to complete a prosecution. That application form you mention is first step, an important step, in that long legal journey, in the imperfect real world we live in.

    As far as weird questions are concerned, let me assure you, after having been to over 125 countries, that we Americans face weird questions and interviews too from others. In Tanzania, after my last philanthropic trip there, I was interviewed for 25 minutes, where the border official was interested in my opinions on 'how he, the immigration official, can solve his troubles with his ever complaining and unreasonable girlfriend.'
  30. Report Kamal | November 21 12:31am | Permalink
    Those are from the Tier 2 application.
  31. Report Kamal | November 21 12:30am | Permalink
    Have you seen the UK's visa questions? My favourite ones are all under the personal history section:

    In either peace or war time, have you ever been involved in, or suspected of involvement in, war crimes, crimes against humanity, or genocide?
    Provide details of the war, humanity or genocide crime.

    Have you ever been involved in, supported or encouraged terrorist activities in any country?
    Provide details of the terrorist activity.

    Have you ever been a member of, or given support to, an organisation which has been concerned in terrorism?
    Provide details of the terrorist organisation.

    Have you, by any means or medium, expressed views that justify or glorify terrorist violence or that may encourage others to commit terrorist or other serious criminal acts?
    Provide details of these terrorist views.
  32. Report Drahdiwaberl | November 20 11:25pm | Permalink
    Years ago, when they still had the question "are you or have you ever been" about communist parties on the questionaire, an old friend of mine who wanted to visit his son, who was a lecturer at a US university, answered "yes".
    He was called in to the embassy for an interview. They asked him, "Well, are you active?". He said, "well I'm an old man, so I can't be really.". They said "Are you notorious?" (really). He said, "Well you'd know about me if I was, wouldn't you?" (imagine this in a Welsh accent).
    They let him in -- probably because his birth name on his passport wasn't the name he was generally known by. He was actually a leading member of an admittedly rather small CP at the time, but I don't think he posed any danger to the US state.
  33. Report WendellMurray | November 20 10:17pm | Permalink
    Not related to language, but a comment anyway.

    My fiancee went through the immigration process a few years ago in the USA to seek permanent entry thereto for her mother. Documentation requirements quite onerous, although reasonably so, but otherwise straightforward. The USA government website is very good and the people who perform the processing also do a prompt and very good job.

    Regarding the word "turpitude", regrettably no etymological connection to turpentine, which derives from the name for a tree. Turpitude derives from Latin turpis, "shameful". No further etymology for turpis or possible cognates in other Indo-European languages that I can readily find.

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